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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 12:01:00 -
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society made me do it
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Khorian
Originally by: WowZilla
Goons are changing the community landscape of Eve from that stuffy officers club into something better. I applaud them for that, and they will burn me for it too. Now how cool is that?
The funny thing is that the SA community as a whole would probably laugh at the EvE Goons for being nerds in a internet spaceships game. Also, while I agree that E-Honor is a little bit over the top, respect is very important in MMOs. While most alliances do what they do to gain recognition by the community, goons just want to play wild sow. If they ever become a major player on their own I doubt it will be for the better of EvE tbh.
ahahahahah
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: The Mittani on 29/10/2007 14:09:46 ^^^^ you read YCS
get out
(of life)
Originally by: Roger Albany The problem for Goons is that they now themsleves are one of the old buys clubs. The goons that mostly raided the ISS constellations in Estoteria were not noobs in tech 1 ships - they were experienced players all in expensive tech 2 HAC's and recons.
So I think that Goons at some point will have problems recruiting new members, because somehow I do not see the "old" goon players setting up structures that help new players over the entry barriers.
For me it is just a matter of time before we see GOON 2.0 - a new corp that that hates goons and all the other "old boys" just the same and which will be able to recruit the noobs much easier. And lets face it - we need new players in EVE - bot the game and the alliances needs more players all the time to replace older players moving on to other games.
yeah these newbie drives have never been a big deal we're gonna abandon them
also: lookit dat iss ticker
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rbel Ion
Calm down, I didn't want to break your self important circle jerk about how totally awesome and unique Goonswarm is with newbies.
Most people are pretty happy to play the game for a weeks without being in a corp or alliance FYI (if they even know what corps and alliances are). The fact GS recruits people from SA who have already been informed of the basic premise of EVE and told tales of alliance warfare and want to jump straight into that is irrelevent.
Goonswarm might be the only alliance that goes out of it's way to have so much infrastructure to teach newbies (for it's own ends...), but if you ever actually join a semi-decent corp & alliance outside of Goonswarm you will find the majority of people playing the game love helping new players and are all too willing to provide advice. Most alliances are not impermeable for newbies.
The point is: the self-aggrandizing propaganda you guys spew about some bizzare attitude that apparantly the majority of people who play this space interner video game have some kind of conspiracy hatred of newbies and want to stop them playing the game is comedy.
There are huge entire alliances out there full of new players. IAC, FREGE, BRUCE, EVE-U, all sorts of drone region alliances (who hilariously are apparantly you're next target after BoB, way to go helping the newbs :D), all sorts of small northern nap monkey alliances.
So in summary: Yes Goonswarm for their own purposes are very good at teaching people from their $10 forum posting community how to play eve. But EVE as a whole is full of newbie friendly or composed entities, often occupying 0.0 space. And like I said, it is not diffucult at all, if you've been playing for even a little while to get into seasoned, mid-tier alliances.
lookit all those words
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Rbel Ion
Originally by: The Mittani Edited by: The Mittani on 29/10/2007 14:09:46 ^^^^ you read YCS
get out
(of life)
Go spend more hours running your eve-wide internet spying network and avoiding your wife hhahahahaha
MY WIFE
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Rbel Ion No not really. I just wanted to rub home that you're a laughing stock on somethingawful.
I don't think you 'get' somethingawful.com.
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Maxim Powers
Originally by: Rbel Ion No not really. I just wanted to rub home that you're a laughing stock on somethingawful.
We're a laughing stock on www.goonfleet.com
its you
you're the laughtingstock
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 29/10/2007 14:50:24 Read your post Illaria, and thought I'd throw in my two cents.
I can see how you reach some of your conclusions, and I agree with some of them. Where I differ in opinion (not that is matters one bit), is when it comes to the "nature of Goons" and similar groups.
I see Goons, and Bob and all the other 1000+ strong alliances as a natural progression of what takes place in game worlds. Where Goons differ from many of the others, is in their approach to communication. With no unified policy on who can say what on behalf of their friends, Goonswarm has managed to, well, swarm the forums...
Part of the attraction of this forum area, was that people conducted themselves in an orderly fashion. They took the time to talk internally, decide how to respond, and then agree what their spokesperson should post on their behalf.
This approach made it easy for outsiders to follow the discussion, and avoided having to dig through hundreds of one-liner posts like "OMG I am first". The method had it's flaws though. You'd still have ALT-posters, trolls and outsiders stirring up things, but they are also present with the current "system".
My point is this: CAOD has been utterly ruined by sheer volume of posts. If for no other reason, than this, I think we would all be better off if everyone would SHUT UP!
Step two would require all organisations and alliances to agree to keep their members from posting if they dont know how.
With Goonswarm, the sheer volume of posters make it a job in itself to get an impression of what they are about as a group. Some Goonswarm posters resort to name-calling, references to sexual preferences, slander and run-of-the-mill flames. Others are more careful when wording sharing their opinions, but with all the "noise", it's hard to notice anything clever coming from them (as a group).
I am not saying BoB are any better, but if you were somehow able to count the number of posts in here, and sort them by alliance/corp, I think you'd get the picture...
So to summarize: In relation to these forums, Goonswarm are bad because they have little or no control over what their members say or do in their name. Remember, what YOU do, reflects back on your friends. If you're a turd, then in the eyes of the rest of us, so are they!
In relation to the game, we need to realize that Goonswarm, BoB and everyone else are arbitrary structures in an imaginary world of make-belief. Nothing you say or do REALLY matters. Nothing you "claim" or "loose" ever really existed, exept in your mind.
Loosing the respect of your opponents is as bad as loosing the respect of your team. Remember that, when and if you "win"...
calm down
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
Originally by: The Mittani calm down
What you witness here is a classical example of the "one-liner, diffusion flame-post".
The basic method involves block-quoting someone and replying with non-direct critisism. Designed to be impossible to respond to, by default, its very nature is an affront to communication.
A more well-known version of this type of response is the: "NO YOU SHUT UP"-infinite loop.
@The Mittani, try coming up with actual critisism before wasting everyones time by posting useless one-liner replies please.
stop posting
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 15:35:00 -
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imma seriouspost here to be meta as ****
The issue with 'traditional' dialogue on CAOD is that it's just pretentious crap like what Molle or DBP would post. People acting INTERNET SPACE TYRANTS without a shred of irony and then getting their rocks off as sycophants lined up to suck them off on the forums. Or dabbling in 'real world' outrage over things and trying to take it out ingame, such as this idiot and his Vietnam meltdown and Avon lining up dutifully to wave the bloody flag.
You can't even parody this. I spent a long time deliberately imitating the drivel the BoB posters would spew, and the pubbies lapped it up as if I was preaching the gospel, rather than taking the **** on the whole institution. "Posting in a Mittani thread", what the christ... screw that.
So welcome to an era of total ****posting. You don't 'get' fakeposting. You probably won't 'get' ****posting, either.
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
Originally by: The Mittani stop posting
If I do that, then I would betray the very principles of communication would I not?
Your "stop posting" order does not apply to me. You have provided no reason, or expressed the background of your desire to avoid having to read more of my keyboard-gibberish.
Your failure to involve yourself in a discussion is a sign of a very immature approach. Maintaining the illusion that you are somehow entitled to demand that people stop posting, is pointless. Your best approach towards myself, would be to ignore me, and not involve yourself in a discussion that you cannot "win".
I will not stop posting, simply because you say so. I will stop posting then I have nothing more to say. You can choose to ignore me, but you cannot involve yourself, THEN decide it's not worth the effort and attempt to silence your critics by issuing demands.
If you have nothing to say that does not require more than one line of text, then please dont post. Keep it inside yourself, let it evolve into a sentance. Then and only then, should you attempt to put your mind on paper.
quoting some words i didn't even read
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: The Mittani Or dabbling in 'real world' outrage over things and trying to take it out ingame, such as this idiot and his Vietnam meltdown and Avon lining up dutifully to wave the bloody flag.
Well, forgive me for thinking that the people behind the characters in this game deserve to be treated with a certain level of respect. Generally I moderate my posts in the "bloke down the pub" manner. I can spend all evening mocking or praising people based on in-game events (and often do), but I draw the line at actually going out of my way to offend the people who participate in those events. I'm sure those who have met me at Eve meets would concur that I am very good at seperating the game from the real world. To me there is a line, and it should not be crossed. I'm not saying I am perfect, because I know damn fine I am not. However, if I cross that line and someone pulls me up on it then I will act accordingly .. not mock and ridicule those who I may have offended. By treating people with that level of respect, the forums are a much more useful tool for communication, and much more enjoyable to use.
That isn't to say you can't propoganda your heart out, because of course you can. Just don't go out of your way to offend the people who play this game.
this is as personal as it will ever get, goodbye (get out)
if you actually believed any of the crap you just posted you would have left BoB ages ago, but you're just another hypocrite waving a bloody flag
furthermore,
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dagam Avon re: Goonswarm
Quote: If they don't agree with the image their alliance paints of itself (and it is the image they paint, not one we paint them with - you should sit in local with these guys), they should leave. Guilt by association.
Quote: If they fail to disassociate themselves from cause, then they are seen as condoning it, and so it is perfectly fair to hold each and every member equally responsible.
Avon re: BoB
Quote: most right thinking people can see how unfair it is to tar everyone in BoB with the same brush.
Something unfair for BoB is fair towards everyone else, or you're a hypocrite.
blammo
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shiv Deviir
null I dont post much on these forums but I think i will put my buck o' five in. I have a theory about goon behavior.
DISCLAIMER: I might be wrong, I have been wrong before.
Theory: I think that goonswarm puts up this front of "not caring, gun slinging, crap compactors" so that those in the eve community will not take them seriously as a whole. Maybe they figure that they wont be viewed as a threat until its too late. I remember before the whole great war started, they were recruiting pretty much anyone. Thats how they were looked at, "oh they take anyone, they must suck". Now people are eating their words, and so that the community will keep underestimating them, they come off as ridiculous.
Now for the whole Great War discussion, I believe that when BoB started making a serious claim that they "wanted to own all 0.0" that many people took offense to this. Who the hell wants to pay rent to some face overlord for ratting or mining in a system literally across the universe. Of course when people take offense some people turn and whine to their friends and some make a plan. They made a plan, Red Alliance made a plan and so did many other corporations and alliances. Now that the "plan" is giving fruit, it would be self defeating to just leave it to grow on its own. If anyone wanted to completely defeat someone they would do well to take a lesson from the Roman Empire. You must completely annihilate everything the opposition has, brick by brick. You must salt the earth so that nothing will every grow there again, you must erase their name from the history books.
Like I said, i could be wrong, and I probably am. They might be insanely ******** and have no direction whatsoever, or they might be acting in subterfuge.
Oh and these thoughts are completely my own and have no reflection on what others in my corporation or alliance may think. Their thoughts are their own.
i read like the first sentence where you said something about 'goons recruiting' then i giggled and crapped out this reply
guessing the rest of the post was about as grounded in reality
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
Originally by: Phelan Driscoll (SNIP Failed attempt at continuing antique line of insults)
Well, admittedly a misguided attempt at self-humor clearly wasted on you... You failed to answer the vast majority of my post?
How do you feel about having to reasort to "your momma" references? How do cope with falling short at the very thing you're supposedly "good at"? How does it feel to be trampled intellectually by a fat git with a computer (ie. ME)? How do does it make you feel knowing that there are people, like me, out there that are better than you at everything?
Do you feel alone now?
With the infamous Goonswarm reputation to live up to, you are falling way short of impressing me.
To paraphrase Vader, your forumskills are weak old man...
Now, on with the show.
ON TOPIC This thread was about the inability of Goonswarm to communicate. Naturally it derailed, only to proove the point of the original poster... that if you cannot communicate, you are better off simply not trying.
Thanks for keeping me awake for a few hours. Now I must retire to make dinner. Perhaps we can all meet in the next thread? Will there be more one-liners like this one?
Originally by: Iron Zarkasm Can't believe I'm first
this one:
Originally by: Nlewis gb2gbs
and this:
Originally by: The Mittani ahahahahah
Will the Goonswarm manage to pull out yet another fine line of insults like these golden gems:
Originally by: Phelan Driscoll Another good option for you might be suicide.
Originally by: fishblades "you "sure" "do" "use" "a lot" of "quote"s"
Originally by: Elohe LOOK AT THE FUKKEN PUBBIE
Originally by: Phelan Driscoll blow me
Originally by: SpaceMoose **** you and **** your moderator msn buddy.
Originally by: Phelan Driscoll Tell them I also said your mother is a *****.
Or will Goons eventually evolve beyond posting for the sake of posting?
Originally by: The Mittani quoting some words i didn't even read
Tune in next thread...
here look let me help you through this because you're trying and you mean well in your own way
i write some crap that takes 10 seconds and mash post butan, you spend 10-15 minutes coming up with this reply full of words, so i am going to write another short reply until you "get" it.
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 18:15:00 -
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alice and reeree have been overshadowed by sartre thats how bad theyve been lately
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot In response to the original post
I remember when goons were first showing up on Bob's radar.
At that time, there was a mild APPROVAL of the Goons by many BoB members. If anything, those approving of the Goons vastly outnumbered those who did not. Goons were a small blip on the radar at the time, but the general attitude in BoB (myself included) was along the lines of "Cool, some folks willing dive into 0.0 and fight, even early in their game."
Then something happened
Something that made BoB VERY VERY hostile goons.
Multiple goons repeatedly, over a period weeks, mocked the real life death of a player. In my own case I was convoed by random goons two seperate times BEFORE I realized that there was an issue. I did not even know anyone had died, and I had not posted anything on the issue. I had no idea what the goons who convoed me were talking about until later. Once I learned what was going on, I was livid that such filthy individuals even exist.
The goons eventually tried to explain it away as if it was one person and a forum signiture, and spent most of there effort accusing BoB of trying to find an excuse to persecute them.
It was that 1st incident that dumped a large vat of poison into the water. All that has followed is traced to that 1st incident and is colored by it, even if the people involved are unaware of that incident.
keep digging
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Moctobot
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Sergeant Spot In response to the original post
I remember when goons were first showing up on Bob's radar.
At that time, there was a mild APPROVAL of the Goons by many BoB members. If anything, those approving of the Goons vastly outnumbered those who did not. Goons were a small blip on the radar at the time, but the general attitude in BoB (myself included) was along the lines of "Cool, some folks willing dive into 0.0 and fight, even early in their game."
Then something happened
Something that made BoB VERY VERY hostile goons.
Multiple goons repeatedly, over a period weeks, mocked the real life death of a player. In my own case I was convoed by random goons two seperate times BEFORE I realized that there was an issue. I did not even know anyone had died, and I had not posted anything on the issue. I had no idea what the goons who convoed me were talking about until later. Once I learned what was going on, I was livid that such filthy individuals even exist.
The goons eventually tried to explain it away as if it was one person and a forum signiture, and spent most of there effort accusing BoB of trying to find an excuse to persecute them.
It was that 1st incident that dumped a large vat of poison into the water. All that has followed is traced to that 1st incident and is colored by it, even if the people involved are unaware of that incident.
keep digging
man it comes full circle for sergeant spot
gotta admit that felt good heres hopin he'll post more
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Originally by: Relaria Hossin to understand the goon, you must become the goon
Personaly i find the idea of a goon that thinks offensive.
agreed its more amusing watching you lose everything to drooling morons
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: CaptainMiller
Originally by: Natas Dog
Man, you really don't 'get' goons.
OMFG MAN SUPER BURN! That burn never gets old...you just dont "get" goons! Don't forget the "" cause that brings out the lulz in everyone.
New material <---- that way bro.
i don't think you 'get' goons.
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Bethy San Goons got spanked by BoB and are bitter, instead of bob completely destroying them which frankly would of been better in the long run they chose the more political side of things(and left them to rebuild) and stuck by their word. RA breaks the POS nap with LV... BOB decided to lend aid to them not to offensively push RA with a pos spamw of their own... and BAM everyone is like LV+BOB?!?! NO! then gang jumps bob.... All the north, all the east lol... as soon as that happens north goes full at bob... goons+RA go full at LV, LV dies... to many isk from the ruskies with their endless cap fielding abilities and goons fodder to bolster RA's major assets. In no way did bob attack someone or started this war... But as it stands the alliance casualty list to this war is astonishing.
Goons do one aspect of politics... propeganda they semed to have bought the t2 mod. But when this war first started BoB was more outnumbered then they are now... have fun using RA's and ET's Titans to jump up those 20-50 freighters of fuel to run that space im pretty sure bob isnt missing the asset hole so they can focus more on killing with their isk then paying for feul in 3 near deserted regions..
Still ultimately this war as it stands now comes to two entities that are only slowing bob down IMO, Against All authorities(probably one of the best pound for pound alliances with exception of only MC)And Red alliance ofcourse... Nothing in this war has been done w/o those two of anything worth mentioning... all in all goons atm are nothing but fodder for the old boys. Gie them a year or two more of building and we might see a close ASCN relevence :D
ahhahaha you're in gonads
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Chest McManbone
Originally by: General Windypops Funny how when people run out of decent arguments they just try to derail and post sh***, isn't it.
Ever since those goonies got awesome allies more skillpoints and started winning my hate has turned to pity I feel bad for them.
(yes)
this is a terrible burden we bear
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
would you, like, sponsor me into the goons and stuff?
no
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops Edited by: General Windypops on 29/10/2007 23:21:22
Originally by: Dagam I especially liked the one that got BoB to declare a jihad on goons that put them in this position now one year later.
Which Goons are you referring to? The ones who made up forum signatures mocking the real life death of a BoB player which caused the war in the first place? Or the Goons who launched the full assault on the entire Eve community with their threadnought. Or the Goons who spammed the forums with illegal, pro-terrorism, ultra-racist and homophobic 'cartoons' yet who Goons continued to welcome in their ranks claiming it was all just 'free speech'?
those sound like pretty chill brosefs to me
you should calm down
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Posted - 2007.10.29 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: General Windypops Edited by: General Windypops on 29/10/2007 23:21:22
Originally by: Dagam I especially liked the one that got BoB to declare a jihad on goons that put them in this position now one year later.
Which Goons are you referring to? The ones who made up forum signatures mocking the real life death of a BoB player which caused the war in the first place? Or the Goons who launched the full assault on the entire Eve community with their threadnought. Or the Goons who spammed the forums with illegal, pro-terrorism, ultra-racist and homophobic 'cartoons' yet who Goons continued to welcome in their ranks claiming it was all just 'free speech'?
those sound like pretty chill brosefs to me
you should calm down
Yeah, cos mocking real life deaths is really funny, isn't it? And racism and homophobia is just SO cool these days.
calm
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.29 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: missionalt internet space lawyers: would goonswarm be liable if windypop's head were to explode
Thanks for your detailed repsonse to the questions raised in my posts.
Can't defend yourself with logic? No problem, just launch an ad hominem attack and fail to answer the question.
you are very upset
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Posted - 2007.10.29 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Internet Online NO TROLLING IN THIS THREAD BELOW THE DOTTED LINE
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earnest, meaningful reply
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Posted - 2007.10.29 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops If only the Goons could match their forum bravado with in game victories. The fact is that they blew their Ace card when they all stamped their feet and promised that they would leave en masse if they didn't get the result they wanted when they launched their threadnought against the Eve community. They blackmailed CCP with the threat that they would all leave if they didn't get the result their tantrum demanded. When it was found that their claims were based on lies, they never came good on their promise. So much for their independence of spirit.
Sadly, because of their lack of balls, we all have to endure their offensive forum rantings. I guess they care more about internetspaceships and POSwars than they like to admit.
Pretty amusing to see them all still here, so long after that promise.
calm down
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Posted - 2007.10.30 03:18:00 -
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now i know what it is like to be owned
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Posted - 2007.10.30 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Disima Santet
Originally by: WowZilla Edited by: WowZilla on 29/10/2007 12:33:42
Originally by: Illaria ...and in general Goons don't make for very pleasant company. This doesn't make them unique; they are like countless of unknown low sec corps, full of immature people, that romanticize their social ineptitude, as being pirates and hardcore PvP'ers. The Goons are just bigger.
So your Bob/Pet main is being beaten by a bunch of imature people? Gross generalisaion from you, if you really knew goons like you think you do, you'd know they are the complete opposite of what you just described. They just present the image of being r-tards, cos they know it really winds up guys like you.
So ... how do you present the image of being "r-tards" without actually being "r-tards"? Goons must engage in some really hardcore role play there. And why in the word would you want to "wind up guys" if you didn't have some issues in real life that would make you want to grief people in an internet spaceship game?
You can lie and tell everyone that they don't 'get' goons or EVE on this forum but at least don't lie to yourself. It's damn funny to see people being dishonest with themselves.
this is terrible, you are terrible
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Posted - 2007.10.30 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Green so pathetic you are goons
its too easy of a mlyp
oh well here you go: mlyp
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.30 14:42:00 -
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This? This is a post.
(post)
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Posted - 2007.10.30 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: The Mittani This? This is a post.
(post)
The other thread got locked so I wanted to give you an update. I went down the hall and made a ham and pastrami sandwich and grabbed two coca cola light's and I'm currently sipping in that soda while I eat this sandwich.
The sandwich is pretty good.
i just had a bacon, egg and cheese on ciabatta bread thing for breakfast with the coffee. it was pretty good i find au bon pain to be a decent breakfast place
kinda sad about awox's thread it was going places
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2007.10.30 17:08:00 -
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Quote: ill bite, but only very quickly as ive got to head out.
The problem with your question is that it is poorly worded and leaves open a plethera of issues. Define good? Who is to say that ones motivation has to be "for a good" in the first place. Thats two points where your argument will come apart without even necessitating a justification for the posts.
You brought up obits in newspapers etc- why should their be a difference between that act and one of posting on an internet forum? Id go out on a limb here and say that midget gothic basement dwellers probably read a rag every know and than, but its much more likely that they are more self involved and they would troll these forums much more commonly. If you maintain that no good can come from posting on a forum about a death, do you maintain this for newspapers as well? Is it the medium that you take offense to or the act?
If its the medium, well thats just your opinion really, no one gives a rats ass whether you think an internet forum is a good medium. No offense but I just cant see how you can maintain a preference of meduim- its niether here nor there for assertaining any "good" coming from the post.
If its the act of posting about a death, well thats a whole new kettle of fish agreed? You may not believe there is any worth in it and you may well be right. But others do see a point in it. There are alot of players who I dont keep in touch with anymore from different corps, just like I dont keep in touch with some people I still consider RL friends. **** happens, things get in the way of friendships and people drift. That doesnt mean that I wouldnt be shocked to hear of their death, nor that I wouldnt come to their funeral. So I suppose thats one "good" purpose it serves.
Now you could argue that you cant make the same connection with RL newspapers/relationships with eve relationships/forum posts, but I think that is clearly short sighted. There is obviously community interaction here, both in game and perhaps more magnified on these forums. A culture has developed, both of a wider MMO gamer culture and one specific to eve. It was inevitable that just as people incorperate RL politics, history and prejudice to eve, so to will they incorperate cultural institutions, such as newspapers (eve tribune) and radio, eve tv etc etc. The application of a form of obituary is just part of that. To reject the idea of leaving an obituary is to reject the entirity of the idea of an eve "community". Its obvious that community exists, for better or worse in some cases.
Now im kinda going to contridict myself in saying that I actually agree with you that the majority of people posting in RL deaths/ obituary threads need to be shot, especially the ones that say crap like "wow didnt know him, thats so sad etc etc" Most probably are just posting in a form of "trollin" much in the same way that you can go onto chat rooms and people pretend to give a crap about your teen emo angst. Still, thats not the point tho is it? Some people are simply posting RIP etc etc and I feel that is valid.
I havnt actually followed the who goonswarm hassling a dead person dramabomb but I will say this. It is disrespectful and most of the people doing it are probably quite insecure and emotionally reclusive. They arent unique to eve, theres lots of wa.nkers in RL too. I would think they are just seeking attention probably, or trying to reinforce their own shortcomings by pretending to be so hardedged or disrespectful. Lame really. I realise this isnt all goons either, dont get me wrong
i would read this but im too busy making fun of dead people
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Posted - 2007.10.30 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Illaria Edited by: Illaria on 30/10/2007 17:24:58
Originally by: Two Beans
Originally by: Two Beans Posting in a Two Beans thread
Post with your main, you alt poster.
Circlejerking with yourself, bro?
Usually people employ different accounts or chars for this, but let me guess: :effort: amirite?
I don't think you 'get' goons.
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Posted - 2007.10.30 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Yorda I "get" goons.
bunch of ***gits tbqh
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Posted - 2007.10.30 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dramaticus I had some tacos for lunch how about yous guys.
i cant decide if i want to go to chipotle or have an empanada or what
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Posted - 2007.10.30 20:48:00 -
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dear thread: i had a bacon cheeseburger it was awesome thanks for your help with my critical strategic decision
grats all, grats all
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Posted - 2007.10.30 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Zhang
Originally by: The Mittani i had a bacon cheeseburger
Even after all this talk about Germany, Vegetarianism, and Farting? Good Sir, are you MAD?
nah just hungry
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Posted - 2007.10.30 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Vacuus os This thread is a disgusting (yet perfect) example of why the EVE community should have consolidated against the goons after the Smoske incident. If they could behave like that then with no signs of remorse, when they were small and powerless, how could anyone believe they would grow any less despicable in nature over time?
I believe there is still time to rectify the situation. If everyone would just put every goon they see on ignore, then they will be forced from want of attention to give up trolling. What's the worst that could happen? It's not like everyone having huge ignore lists could mess with the server the forums are hosted on.
nice troll
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Posted - 2007.10.30 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ungdall
Originally by: Ungdall
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Vacuus os This thread is a disgusting (yet perfect) example of why the EVE community should have consolidated against the goons after the Smoske incident. If they could behave like that then with no signs of remorse, when they were small and powerless, how could anyone believe they would grow any less despicable in nature over time?
I believe there is still time to rectify the situation. If everyone would just put every goon they see on ignore, then they will be forced from want of attention to give up trolling. What's the worst that could happen? It's not like everyone having huge ignore lists could mess with the server the forums are hosted on.
nice troll
Nice reply, it's cute how you use all those fancy, 10 dollars words when you want people to do something for you, but the second someone questions you, out go the prose and explanations. Like a dog in a muzzle all you can do is bark.
Welp, there goes my trolling alt. Damn you Mittens, how did you know?????
laaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwllllll
it was a pretty good troll cheer up brosef
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Posted - 2007.10.30 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Illaria
Originally by: BobVII umm excuse me illaria has been reading SA for six whole months and is a member of an important goon WoW raid guild i think he knows what he's talking about you disrespectful jerk
Haha, I didn't even know you had an active EVE account BobVII
Having trolled you out of your cave, will always be highlight of my internet career. How's SPYad doing without me. I know all my "annoying" posts desecrated this temple of measured and reasonable debate.
why dont you quit specops and goonfleet because you're butthurt over a post about it
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Posted - 2007.10.30 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: BobVII
oh not another puppetmaster noooo
i am coming up behind you to suck your blood
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Posted - 2007.10.30 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dagam It wasn't in fact because of Tetsujin's signature that BoB a year ago attacked Goonswarm, but probably Remedial's surrender notice to NORAD, in which he told SirMolle and Dianabolic to get out, that it doesn't concern them. But it did and it was well known BoB (particularly BNC) and NORAD were close. This led BoB two months later to declare a self-righteous and hate-filled campgaign to drive goons out of EVE and is the reason I joined goons much later, because if BoB were to collapse goons would surely be a part of it. NORAD incidentally merged with Fountain Alliance to form RISE.
i think maybe you should chillax brah itt we talk about food
also Dianabolic decided he hated goons when he tried to hire us as mercs back in the day against Stain and Remedial*****slapped him during the negotiations
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Posted - 2007.10.30 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Illaria
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Illaria you are DeusEx on the somethingawful.com forums; you live in Hamburg, Germany. We know who you are.
You have been banned for posting homosexual content in public forums in goonfleet.com, which is a bannable offense. Not once, but you kept spamming your own images of yourself and your boyfriend all over the forums before we had to ban you.
Now don't try to play the victim. Goonfleet respects everyone's personal behaviours, but posting your ****ographic, homosexual, and personal images in forums meant to be safe for work can't be tolerated.
See now you're crossing the fine line between just ****posting actually smearing people. Not that my SA profile information are any secret, but you try to spin it so, that it looks like you'd have hacked your way into it.
"We know who you are". What do you want to convey with this. A hidden threat? Aww c'mon...
bla, bla, posting homosexual images on your forum. You know trolling someone wit alleged homosexuality only works with insecure teenagers, but hey I can't blame you, Goonflet consists of mostly of such people after all.
you done got trolled son
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Posted - 2007.10.30 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Illaria
Originally by: The Mittani why dont you quit specops and goonfleet because you're butthurt over a post about it
I did both. I quit over a month ago, Mr. GIA.
look how stupid you are
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sorry guys had to commute home im back now hi5s
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Posted - 2007.10.31 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik what he said
what good can come from posting a real world death, to thousands of random internet gamers?
so a few unknown people can say "oh i'm sorry"; when they don't know you or the dead person? there's private/corp/alliance forums for the folks that did know the dead person. post it there.
now, if THAT gets dragged onto a public forum, and you can prove who did it (and that it wasn't leaked by one of the dead person's friends in order to be an ass and cause commotion); that's a different story.
but to post it out there for CHILDREN, who play a GAME, to see, and expect those CHILDREN playing said GAME to go "oh my god.. someone died. wtf, get a new clone" and be surprised that's the reaction of a child, or a basement dweller - then you're an idiot.
i can show from this game and many others, the NEGATIVES that come from realworld deaths being listed to random internet strangers.
to take offense at a foregone conclusion from a bad decision - is to be an idiot, or a liar (feigning the offense).
Mate, did you even read the post? If you think that a point- even one you dont agree with- hasnt been posted than clearly there is no point in continuing to attempt to discuss it. That reply was worse than a tl:dr reply. At least they are aware of their inability to comphrehend text.
Also im pretty sure I dont wanna "get" goons. It sounds like something you are likely to pick up visiting a cheap brothel in Prague
no one read your words how does that make you feel
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Posted - 2007.10.31 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ungdall mittens, it seems like you are really enjoying yourself in this thread. I hope you are enjoying eve again.
yeah eve is pretty awesome ccp fixed almost everything i was mad about
firing isd and aurora was class they get mad props
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Posted - 2007.10.31 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik what he said
what good can come from posting a real world death, to thousands of random internet gamers?
so a few unknown people can say "oh i'm sorry"; when they don't know you or the dead person? there's private/corp/alliance forums for the folks that did know the dead person. post it there.
now, if THAT gets dragged onto a public forum, and you can prove who did it (and that it wasn't leaked by one of the dead person's friends in order to be an ass and cause commotion); that's a different story.
but to post it out there for CHILDREN, who play a GAME, to see, and expect those CHILDREN playing said GAME to go "oh my god.. someone died. wtf, get a new clone" and be surprised that's the reaction of a child, or a basement dweller - then you're an idiot.
i can show from this game and many others, the NEGATIVES that come from realworld deaths being listed to random internet strangers.
to take offense at a foregone conclusion from a bad decision - is to be an idiot, or a liar (feigning the offense).
Mate, did you even read the post? If you think that a point- even one you dont agree with- hasnt been posted than clearly there is no point in continuing to attempt to discuss it. That reply was worse than a tl:dr reply. At least they are aware of their inability to comphrehend text.
Also im pretty sure I dont wanna "get" goons. It sounds like something you are likely to pick up visiting a cheap brothel in Prague
no one read your words how does that make you feel
ts:dr
blammo
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Posted - 2007.10.31 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Illaria Edited by: Illaria on 31/10/2007 10:05:07 Edited by: Illaria on 31/10/2007 09:55:14 Edited by: Illaria on 31/10/2007 09:54:19
Originally by: Pastora This "excuse" works for the Game. I can play "by the rules" in RL. However, in the game everybody can make their own rules, and try to follow them... or brake them. I can separate RL from the Game. Seems like you, Illaria, can't. Or can you?
This is what the difference between the Goons and the major parts of the community is all about, isn't it Pastora?
It's a game about make believe space ships and colored sovereignty dots on a star map. Inconsequential and fleeting, they'll be all gone, when the server shut down for their final downtime. But like with any MMO, most people don't really play them about ingame goods, but about sharing the experience with other people. When you look back at your EVE experience in a few years you'll hopefully your comrades in RA and not the ship you flew and how good the fittings were, or how many systems RA claimed sovereignty over. These things are only there to give you something to do, something to fight over, to catalyze the above experience, but the people playing this game are very real.
And this the Goon failure: they don't deride the game, in fact they take it very seriously, they deride the people playing it if they don't happen to be currently useful to them. When challenged about it, they declare that it's just the internet, as if basic social rules wouldn't apply here.
P.S. what happened to the H8- memorial thread?
wow look at all that
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